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Marc-Alan Ba... Posts: 3 WELCOME TO MAB/SONGRAMP 2.96 to the forteenth power of PI Hello everyone. Marc-Alan Barnette, ("MAB", Rhymes with "CAB") here. Welcome to our new "reboot of Songramp and our forum. I am going to re-open this as if we are starting all over (because we are), if you are new here, a veteran, or interested by stander,we are all welcome and involved here.

Thanks for coming over. Songramp has been around much longer than I have and has been a great platform for gaining information and understanding a very difficult to understand foray. The creation of music and the practical application of the business of music. I was invited over by Donna Valentine, who thought I might have something to add to the discussion people were having about the ever changing and always confusing world of music.

The Internet has put most everyone into the game. And for many of writers who would like to get their music "out there", suddenly there was a way to do that. Most people are just interested about learning to write, interacting with other writers and finding some like-minded individuals, who could share what can be a very rewarding hobby. But there are some who have that inner thought of "Hey maybe, I could get a hit song too? Doesn't sound that hard!!!" Riiigghhhttt!!! So this thread was started to inject some reality into the often confused, misunderstood and often frustrating world of the music industry.

WHO, OR WHAT, IS A MAB? I am a singer/songwriter/teacher, based out of Nashville Tn. I grew up in Birmingham alabama where I grew up in the late 60's and early 70's. in 1974, I began performing with rock bands, and built one, BITTERSWEET, that would morph into 24 KARAT, one of the top rock bands in the town of Birmingham. From high school buddies, we included an older musician,JESSE LEWIS, who took the band over, and taught me what it took to be an actual musician. Rehearsing 6 nights a week, we wrote music, recorded, it and after about a year of that, started performing. That led to us winning THE 1984 MILLER HIGH LIFE ROCK TO RICHES NATIONAL TALENT SEARCH. Out of 30,000 bands Nationwide, we won,and proceeded to have almost a whole week of fame.

It taught me about the fleeting nature of the music business. Once a contest is over, it's over. In 1986, our band broke up, and in 1987, I met a gentleman, Ron Muir, who had lived in Nashville for ten years with some chart success. He taught me the finer points of songwriting and prepared me by taking me to Nashville, producing a project on me and basically building who I was for the next step of my journey.

Moving to town on April fools day 1988,I made the initial contact that led to my first song being recorded by Grammy Award Winner Shelby Lynne. This song, THAT'S WHERE IT HURTS" was used in a WILLIE NELSON/KRIS KRISTOFFERSON, "ANOTHER PAIR OF ACES." So I learned about songs in film and television,the money, and the realities on getting those done. My next 26 years were amazing, up and down and in and out of every situation you can imagine. From being an artist myself, to helping other artists and writers, interacting with the industry, experiencing major cuts, performing in thousands of shows, being an opening act, to being the headliner, writing with dozens of number one and hall of fame writers, releasing my own CD's, to establishing and maintaining my own business of teaching the craft of songwriting, and the practical application of the business of music, I sometimes am just the "last one standing" of a proud tradition of writers and artists, and can pretty much tell anything from any particular side of a situation when it comes to dealing with music.

So that brings me here and what we do. WHO WE ARE We are a group of like minded people from all walks of life, all ages, races, genders, styles of music. We are from various levels of experiences and abilities. But we are a really good group of close friends. Since my experiences in Nashville taught that the RELATIONSHIP was EVERYTHING in Nashville, and songs secondary, that is what we sought to develop here. It is part chat room, part teaching platform. When a discussion gets started, usually by someone asking a question, I can give teaching lessons based upon my experiences.

That is usually commented and added to by others of us here. At any one time we have a dozen or so commenting and dozens more reading along. No one has to participate, but we very much enjoy when they do. There is no reason to be shy, we are all the same here. The idea is to give multiple sides of any equation, to provide insights and support to people wherever they are needed. Then to demonstrate that we are all just people, we often will deviate to other subjects, sometime totally unrelated, and sometimes just plain silly. Members of this forum often travel to each other's homes, meet families, participate in life.

We write songs, post work, ask questions and build a "second family" where everyone is supportive, everyone enjoys and hopefully everyone gets what they are looking for out of it. We only ask that for the most part, we keep it to the subject of music, be civil, and even if dissagreements pop up, try to keep them moving along and with as little hurt feelings as possible. We avoid the usual "taboo subjects" politics, religion, etc. That is really not our purpose here and there are a LOT of other places on the Internet and even on the Ramp to do that. I tend to moderate and mediate here, but I am not a "official" moderator. That is done by the Ramp staff and if there are any problems, people can contact them.

But for almost all confrontations or questions, sending me a private email here or at [email protected], can usually smooth over any hurt feelings or misunderstandings. You can be assured of one thing NO ONE IS WANTING TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL OR DISSAGREEABLE HERE. We are all friends and all seek to help as much as possible. STYLES OF MUSIC OR ABILITY LEVELS We welcome all styles of music, writing, poetry, etc. here. I tend to focus on the contemporary country market and how it relates to Nashville, Tn. as that is where I am based. But I relate and interact with literally hundreds and thousands of people from other parts of the world, the United states, and beyond, to other planets, LOL! with almost every style, level, imaginable. From the very very new beginner to the experienced professional, performers, non performers, significant others, family members, etc. and everything in between. There are no stupid questions or directions.

Just things that can create difficulties that don't need to be there, more direct results or avenues for complete failure. The more educated you are, the better. That's what we do. So try us out, invite people over, get to know each other. We are all glad you are here and hope you enjoy your stay. Take here, and like Frasier Crane, "Go ahead Rampers, I'm listening." Marc-Alan Barnette

So, here we go - a new adventure in MAB-land! I've fastened my seatbelt and am ready to roll!
I must hurry and catch them, for I am their Leader.
Marc, let me know if you see this one
Yes I'm seeing that one.
I do understand that "my thread has been approved." Now we just need people to post.
OK...seeing if I did this right. Hi guys!!
Tina Swanson said...

OK...seeing if I did this right. Hi guys!!



Looks right to me! Welcome aboard!
I must hurry and catch them, for I am their Leader.
I see your Reply and Hello to everyone.
O.K. So I lost my [first] reply to MAB's original post. That's O.K.

SO, MAB, Thanks for starting the new MAB Q&A thread!
Hey folks I'm back.Still in Hospital after 3 months.Still have a long way to go.Had a set back but doing my best to get stronger person to walk again.!)LRRYBOYSmile
(-;Yrral Mallik;-)
Great Yrall.You, cockroaches and Keith Richards prove that some people can't be killed off by conventional methods.Really glad you are doing better and back. We've tried to keep up with you through other sources. Glad you are feeling better and getting back in the swing of things. Welcome over here.
MAB
Yee Haw! Ready to Rock n' Roll on new Forum thread. Me likey (so far).
LARRY! Welcome aboard!! SO glad to see you are doing so good!!! And, just because your resting up in a nice comfy bed is no excuse for not writing more LOL. You should have plenty to write about now. Get COMPLETELY recovered SOON!!

phil g.
I think I made it - hope you guys can see this. I think once everyone gets used to this, it will be great Wink
~ Melissa
Hey, Yrall!! So glad to see you are doing better! We were all worried. Hoping your recovery is going ok. Just focus on getting better, little by little.
~ Melissa
Hello everyone,SR1 was a great foundation and I expect SR2 will build on that, kinda like a skyscraper. There are so many great writers here but even better friends. Hope to cowrite with some of you soon. Good luck to SongRamp 2!
Gary
garyc
Gary Clute said...

Hello everyone,SR1 was a great foundation and I expect SR2 will build on that, kinda like a skyscraper. There are so many great writers here but even better friends. Hope to cowrite with some of you soon. Good luck to SongRamp 2!
Gary

Just like any sphere of endeavour, you have to move forward or get left behind , and so it was with Songramp.
The times they were a changing and we had to change with them or , even, get ahead .
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Thanks Eddie. Something else to confuse me. I hope we get some discussions going so there will be something to Hashtag.

MAB


Folks will show up MAB. We're seeing more and more people sign in every day. And don't worry about the confusion - I never really understood the whole hashtag thing - I can't say in public what I first thought. But, it's pretty popular in the social networking world, so we now have it, too.
I must hurry and catch them, for I am their Leader.
Okay Eddie. Thanks for the update.

On the other fronts, for all of the talk of "new media", podcasting, etc. the majority of people still get their music, particularly new music, from traditional AM and FM radio.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2014/06/...

What this says is if a goal is to 'get songs played on radio" you better be educated as to how that works.

MAB

Okay Eddie. Thanks for the update.

On the other fronts, for all of the talk of "new media", podcasting, etc. the majority of people still get their music, particularly new music, from traditional AM and FM radio.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2014/06/...

What this says is if a goal is to 'get songs played on radio" you better be educated as to how that works.

MAB


I absolutely agree with you, Marc. It's a tricky maze and needs a good navigator. That's only one reason we love having you here.
I must hurry and catch them, for I am their Leader.

Okay Eddie. Thanks for the update.

On the other fronts, for all of the talk of "new media", podcasting, etc. the majority of people still get their music, particularly new music, from traditional AM and FM radio.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2014/06/...

What this says is if a goal is to 'get songs played on radio" you better be educated as to how that works.

MAB


Yeah but not so easy to download from radio, give to friends or share And, as no one is buying round things with tracks on , downloading is de riguer to give to friends . dont like it but thats the way it seems to be
Jdub
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Actually John,what that indicates is that people still get their FIRST EXPOSURE to new music through radio as opposed to other means. Then they usually go find the songs they like on other methods.Although younger people, 12-24 are getting the majority of what they listen to on YOU TUBE,which goes with what I now tell most writers to be aware of:

If you are really interested in "getting your songs out there" you should be prepared to do some form of video on YOU TUBE in addition to just the demo of the song. It all goes back to PRESENTATION of the song. Now, just getting a demo done on a song is no longer very relevant. And it speaks to my comments about working WITH artists, instead of just doing a demo on a song.

If you were to be involved with a performing artist, helping that artist in their journey, getting them songs or writing songs with them involved, possibly doing a video, you are going to be closer to getting your songs "out there" than just the days of getting a demo done.

It is more of the changes that have come to music as we have reached the Internet age. But even in the Internet age, some things don't change as much as some people think. Radio is still the primary way people get their first exposure to music.

MAB
Marc - I think we resolved the "Viewing Single Post" issue. Can you let me know how that works for you now?
I must hurry and catch them, for I am their Leader.
Yeah Eddie,that clears it up a lot. The way I like this forum to work is that people make posts and asks questions, and I respond with my take on the question. The dialogue usually builds from there. But I need to be able to see the other posts for context as I answer questions or give examples related to the question.
If I get a notice on my email, then go to that post, I have not been able to view any other posts unless I click on something else. With me, everything is ease of use for a big simpleton. I am doing a lot of this while I am in other appointments, writing with people, or my teaching things. I can do a pretty decent post while someone needs a bathroom or cigarette break.

Another thing, has thought been given to getting the original blue color of the background or are you trying to completely change so it all looks different?'

The last question comes from Tina,who is on the road. Is there going to be somewhere that the other previous threads are archived? She said that it is about 10 years of posts, work, subjects and teachings that are on there. I had always envisioned this as "my book", where I could explain my own philosophies,and processes. So I would like to know will it just dissapear and we start totally over, or will it be archived somewhere?

Thanks for everything,
MAB

Yeah Eddie,that clears it up a lot. The way I like this forum to work is that people make posts and asks questions, and I respond with my take on the question. The dialogue usually builds from there. But I need to be able to see the other posts for context as I answer questions or give examples related to the question.
If I get a notice on my email, then go to that post, I have not been able to view any other posts unless I click on something else. With me, everything is ease of use for a big simpleton. I am doing a lot of this while I am in other appointments, writing with people, or my teaching things. I can do a pretty decent post while someone needs a bathroom or cigarette break.

Another thing, has thought been given to getting the original blue color of the background or are you trying to completely change so it all looks different?'

The last question comes from Tina,who is on the road. Is there going to be somewhere that the other previous threads are archived? She said that it is about 10 years of posts, work, subjects and teachings that are on there. I had always envisioned this as "my book", where I could explain my own philosophies,and processes. So I would like to know will it just dissapear and we start totally over, or will it be archived somewhere?

Thanks for everything,
MAB


First, and most importantly - you WILL NOT lose all your prior content. I am working now to set up a searchable archive for all that plus some of the other Forums over there. Stay tuned - it will be cool!

Next, about the colors - we do have the ability to tweak the template, but it's a few rungs down the priority level. Hard to please everyone...but you know that all too well...
I must hurry and catch them, for I am their Leader.
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